15 inch Venom subwoofer

Jaycar Part no: 2345 - Cost $99.95aus (18th December 2006)

For those interested in IB, Bulk costs are Qty 5+ $89.95 ea ....Qty 10+ $79.95ea

Estimated value for cone area highlighted in red

Znom Nominal Impedance 4 ohm
Pmax Power Handling 250 watts
SPL Sensitivity 88.48 dB/watt@1m
Re Voice coil resistance 3.5 ohm
Fs Resonant frequency 25.65 hz
Qms Mechanical Q 3.552
Qes Electrical Q 0.578
Qts Total Q 0.497
Vas Equivalent volume 150.7 litre
Xmax Maximum excursion 15 mm
Sd Cone Area 750 sq cm
EBP Efficiency Bandwidth Product 44 - Best in sealed

 

As of 8th August 2007, the Venom range of drivers has been discontinued.

 

Here is my parameter fileLink opens in external window for this driver for WinISD Pro ver 0.50a7

This driver performs best in a sealed or Infinite Baffle enclosure. For comparison purposes, I've relaxed the 130litre limit on box size - the higher Vas of a 15inch driver makes this mandatory for a ported design.

According to William Cowan at cowanaudioLink opens in external window the suspension becomes noisy above about 12.5mm excursion and Xlim seems to be 20mm one-way. The following designs stick to the 12.5mm limit. When working out maximum power for the IB designs, the 20mm limit is used.

Firstly I'll present some conventional sealed and ported designs.

Further down in a separate section are some Infinite Baffle designs for those with deeper tastes and deeper pockets....

 

In Australia, the Behringer equipment can be purchased from Melbourne based StoreDJLink opens in external window with significant savings. Thanks to "Thudd" and "norpus" at DTV ForumLink opens in external window for that info. (20th December 2006)

I've adjusted the links on the Amplifiers page and the costings at the bottom of this one....

 

 

Conventional designs

Ported 400 litre - 180w-4ohm - Altronics 150w amp 18hz Four 102mm ports @ 680mm
Sealed - Jaycar design 49 litre - 250w-4ohm unboosted - Behringer A500 amp
Sealed 150 litre - 180w-4ohm - Altronics 150w amp

 

SPL

Ported design scores well but at the expense of a huge 400litre box and high group delay.

Jaycar 49litre design needs 250w. This is from an unboosted amp. If using the Jaycar amps which have boost @ 35hz, the response will be worse.

150 litre sealed design is easiest to live with - not huge, no filter required and only the 150w Altronics amp required. 10dB down on the ported design at 20hz though, so will only be half as loud for serious HT use.


 

Cone excursion

The ported design requires an 11hz high pass filter

 

 

 

 

Port air velocity

 

Port Flares - calculated with Flare-it

I would recommend 25mm heat molded flares for the four 102mm ports

The intakes should be flange mounted with a 13mm routed flare or you could fit a donut ring . If you are using a heat molded flare, you could do a one-piece design with a 20mm flare on the inlet

Depending on the flaring options, you'll need to adjust the physical length so that the effective length is as shown above. The port flares page has a section on calculating effective length as well as some information on availability of commercial flares.

 

 

 

 

Infinite Baffle Designs

An Infinite Baffle (IB) design is a sealed design where the box is infinitely large. In reality, the box needs to be at least 10 times the combined Vas of the drivers. The box is usually the roofspace, a space under the house, or an adjacent room such as a garage.

Since the drivers are not compressing air in a box or charging up a port, the transient response is excellent. The unrestrained movement also means that it takes less power to reach excursion limits.

Since we're using less power and doing without any contribution from a port, more drivers will be needed.

I initially thought that you would add a Linkwitz TransformLink opens in external window to sacrifice SPL above 30hz for a flatter response. It's been pointed out that this is not the case, since room gain makes this unnecessary.

If you're interesting in exploring IB further, check out the experts at the Cult of the Infinitely BaffledLink opens in external window. To use their forums you need to register, but it's free and worth it.

All designs are modeled with a space of 10,000 litres. This is a bit larger than the minimum size for 4 drivers ( 150 * 4 * 10 = 6k ) and a bit smaller than the minimum size for 8 drivers ( 12k litres). It's around half the 18k litres that a twelve driver design would like - increasing the modeled volume just results in slightly less power being required than shown here.

 

Sealed - IB4 Four driver Infinite Baffle - 190w - Behringer EP1500 amp max 480w ....( 8 ohms / channel )
Sealed - IB8 Eight driver Infinite Baffle - 410w - Behringer EP2500 amp max 1050w ....( 4 ohms / channel )
Sealed - IB12 Twelve driver Infinite Baffle - 670w - Behringer EP2500 amp max 1700w ....( 2.7 ohms / channel )

See the driver wiring options page for how to wire up these systems

 

SPL

The solid lines are for when excursion is kept to 12.5mm to keep distortion at bay.

The shaded areas are for when excursion is allowed out to 20mm, which is the suggested Xlim. This will involve some distortion, but the drivers will be OK.

 

Cone excursion

The excursion graph is the same for all three designs.

The black line is the resulting excursion for:

  • a four driver design with 190w applied or
  • an eight driver design with 410w applied or
  • a twelve driver design with 670w applied

 

The grey line is the resulting excursion for:

  • a four driver design with 480w applied or
  • an eight driver design with 1050w applied or
  • a twelve driver design with 1700w applied

 

 

 

 

Displacement

When comparing IB systems, a common measurement is the amount of air displaced, which is worked out by the formula:

Displacement = Sd * Xmax * 2 * Number of drivers...... where Xmax is the one-way value. The result is expressed in litres

 

Displacement in litres
at 25mm p-p
Displacement in litres
at 40mm p-p
Four drivers
7.5
12
Eight drivers
15
24
Twelve drivers
22.5
36

 

 

Suitability for horizontal mounting

When a driver is mounted horizontally, the cone will sag due to gravity. If the sag exceeds 5% of Xmax, then it is unsuitable.

According to the formula at Parts ExpressLink opens in external window ......

Percentage of Sag = 24,849 / ( Xmax * Fsē) ...... where Xmax is the one-way value

This driver comes in at around 3% of our limit of 12.5mm, so it should be OK

 

 

Costing in $aus

EP1500 at StoreDJLink opens in external window - $499

EP2500 at StoreDJLink opens in external window - $649

I purchased an EP2500 from them recently, and apart from waiting for an overseas shipment to arrive, found them to be a delight to deal with. They rang to confirm the order prior to shipping, and the package arrived promptly and in good condition.

 

Project cost - drivers plus amp

Four driver project using EP1500 $899 - (buy four drivers @ $100ea = $400) or
Four driver project using EP1500 $949 - (buy five drivers @ $90ea = $450 keep one as spare)
Upgrade to EP2500 add $150

Eight driver project $1369 - (buy eight drivers @ $90ea = $720) or
Eight driver project $1449 - (buy ten drivers @ $80ea = $800 keep two as spare)

Twelve driver project $1597 - (buy twelve drivers @ $80ea = $960)

 

Add another $200 for a Behringer Feedback destroyerLink opens in external window which allows you to even out the in-room response. Peaks due to room nodes can be cut with up to 12 parametric equalisers. You can also factor in a house curve for a tailored bass response.

The DSP1124P has been supeceded by the FBQ2496. Here's a comparison:

DSP1124P
FBQ2496

12 parametric equalisers per channel

20 parametric equalisers per channel

Can store 10 different sets of filters

Can store only one set of filters
Most likely will be v1.3 which has a MIDI port which won't talk to REW (see below). A small stock of units are v1.4 which has no problem No problem talking to REW
Better dynamic range
Discontinued - may be hard to find Available now
List price $200 aus List price $300 aus

Rumor has it that you can pick up the older model for about $170 so shop around... If you go for the FBQ2496, don't confuse it with the DEQ2496, which is a crossover management device.

 

You can analyse your room using the free Room EQ WizardLink opens in external window software written by John Mulcahy.

The software will even upload the new settings into the BFD via the MIDI port on your computer. If your BFD is ver1.3, you'll need to enter the settings manually. If you have a BFD, you can check it's version by holding in the Filter Select button during power up. Mine turned out to be v1.3, so it was manual entry for me! Reading the values from REW meant that this was no big deal.

See hereLink opens in external window for a guide on using REW.

I've used the software to explore a couple of potential locations for an IB. See my writeup here.

 

 

Project files for WinISD Pro ver 0.50a7

400 litre ported 18 hz tune

49 litre sealed (Jaycar design)

150 litre sealed

Four driver Infinite Baffle

Eight driver Infinite Baffle

Twelve driver Infinite Baffle

 

I'm now building the twelve driver design. Progress report here.

 

To open pdf files, you will need Acrobat Reader.
You can download the latest version for free here

Last update to this page 8th August 2007

Home
Sitemap
Back to Drivers Index